CALM LEADERSHIP IN CHAOTIC MOMENTS. Jack Lee, the executive director of Voyager Outward Bound, discusses his decision to leave a career in finance at Intel and enter the nonprofit sector. He discusses the importance of listening to what his staff needs from him in any given moment. He also talks about the patience he has learned raising three children, one that has autism and down syndrome. He also discusses the changing personal goals of a young staff and adapting the organization's teaching methods to a society that is facing new challenges in a technology driven world.

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Intro and Outro music: Dark Star, composed by Jerry Garcia, Performed by Jazz is Dead on 8/13/23 at The Crocodile in Seattle WA. Recorded by John Hermsen.